Thursday, February 6, 2014

MORALITY cannot exist in Atheism (how to deal with challenges of slavery, rape, immorality, etc)

Skeptics of Christianity and/or the Bible (as demonstrated in the first 100 pages of "The God Delusion") love to cherry-pick certain verses, or fragments of verses, especially from the Old Testament, and then they will accuse God, or the Bible of being "immoral" or "evil".

Let's put this to rest, once for all---
Morality cannot exist in Atheism.

Listening to a skeptic challenge the Bible as immoral is like listening to a prostitute giving a lecture about sexual purity--it is amusing at best, hypocritical at the least, and pointless for all concerned.

A logical flowchart of why MORALITY cannot exist in Atheism:

SECTION ONE: Is Morality possible in an atheistic Universe?

Let’s pick just one “bad moral issue”---SLAVERY (or put in RAPE, or whatever)

Question 1: What is the Universe/reality?
Atheist Answer 1: Physical matter/energy, space, time, natural law (basically)

Question 2: Are all actions that people do (in reality) just atoms moving due to energy over time following natural law?
Atheist Answer 2: Of course, there is nothing else possible.

Question 3: At the atomic level, is there a fundamental difference between slavery and, building a computer?
Atheist Answer 3: Well, actually, no, there is no fundamental difference between any action and any other human action, because only physical matter/energy/time/natural law exists.

Question 4: Is SLAVERY then immoral or “wrong” based upon your own definition of the Universe?
Atheist Answer 4: I believe and feel that slavery is immoral. Owning people is an evil concept.

Question 5: I didn’t ask if you FELT or BELIEVED something, I asked: is slavery IMMORAL based on your own view of the Universe?
Atheist Answer 5: Well, at the physical level….NO, but I personally just KNOW that it is wrong.

Question 6: Is absolute RIGHT or absolute WRONG even possible in a Universe that is just matter/energy, space, time, and natural law?
Atheist Answer 6: Right and wrong are intensely personal and communally-derived.


Conclusion: By your own admission, since the Universe is just matter moving due to energy through space over time according to natural law, then absolute RIGHT and absolute WRONG are impossible. Morality therefore cannot exist without a Creator that is external to the Universe.

SECTION TWO: Is Morality the result of community over time?

Question 7: Is Morality merely derived from communal activities and needs of the species?
Atheist Answer 7: Well, yes, of course. Over time, we evolve different views based on needs and this propagates throughout the local community or even the whole species. So, yes.

Question 8: So morality can change over time (in other words, it is not absolute)?
Atheist Answer 8: Yes, I just said earlier that it changes according to societal or even interpersonal needs. So, yes, it changes.

Question 9: Is slavery a moral issue?
Atheist Answer 9: Well, yes, of course it is a moral issue…and it is wrong.

Question 10: Is it possible that there was ever a time in the past, or there could ever be a time in the future, when society will condone/allow/encourage slavery?
Atheist Answer 10: Well, duh..of course, slavery was practiced for thousands of years as a way of life, and it was only recently challenged and pronounced immoral in the last three hundred years or so.

Conclusion #2:
So, in the past, slavery was considered moral, and a way of life. Yet now, times have changed, and most types of slavery are now considered immoral. So, according to your answers in SECTION ONE (absolute right and wrong are impossible) and your admission here in SECTION TWO (morality can and does change) THEN IRREFUTABLY Slavery is not wrong or immoral according to atheism.

In an atheistic view, things can be convenient or inconvenient, they can be pleasurable or painful, they can be preferred or disdained, but nothing can be RIGHT or WRONG at the fundamental level…because at the fundamental level the universe is just matter/energy, space, time, and natural law.

Morality is not a feeling (like empathy or sympathy), morality is absolute RIGHT or absolute WRONG.
Confusing feelings of morality and morality itself is a common misconception. Here is an example of the difference. 

If someone was a waiter, and a customer gives them a $50 tip, they FEEL good. But that feeling doesn’t make sense unless MONEY itself exists fundamentally. The feeling of getting a good tip is not the same thing as the existence of money. 

If someone gave you a handful of small pebbles for a tip, it wouldn’t make you feel good, because in most cultures, pebbles aren’t valuable. The feelings associated with “doing good” or “doing bad” have nothing to do with MORALITY as a fundamental issue. Right or Wrong exist regardless of how I feel about it.

In any discussion of morality, therefore, it is illogical to talk about the physiochemical ramifications of your own adherence to your own concept of right or wrong…that is illogical.

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